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excerpt from – MN Lucky for Life Game Procedures PDF 

We discovered f & g to be very attention-grabbing.

We additionally discovered an identical regulations on the vast majority of MN’s lottery video games.

Kind of places the kibosh on the ones hoping to hide all of it.

“…

18. Retailer’s Conduct, Bulk Purchase Restrictions

    a. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games, or an worker of a Retailer would possibly not request, call for, or settle for gratuities or further reimbursement from anyone, or agent thereof, in alternate for the acquisition of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets.

    b. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games will have to make “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets to be had on the market to the general public all through the hours that sale of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” Tickets are approved to be bought and that trade is open to the general public.

    c. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games might simplest promote “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets at the premises described within the Retailer’s contract, apart from as specifically approved in writing through the Director. No transaction, or any section thereof, of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets could also be made on the normal company administrative center of any Retailer until that administrative center is open to the general public and has shrunk with the Lottery as a separate Lottery Retailer.

    d. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games would possibly not input into any particular settlement with anyone, workforce of individuals, or agent thereof, for the acquisition of over $500 of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets for anybody (1) draw.

    e. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games will have to instantly report back to the Lottery any try made through anyone, or workforce of individuals, or an agent thereof, to buy greater than 50% of the quantity combos for “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” for anybody (1) draw.

    f. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games will have to download the identify and cope with of anyone buying greater than $Five,000 in “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets for anybody (1) draw and document the guidelines to the Lottery sooner than the sale.

    g. An individual would possibly not acquire a Ticket or combos of Tickets and a lottery Retailer might indirectly or knowingly promote a Ticket or mixture of Tickets to anyone which might ensure the buyer a grand prize win. “

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Sounds like creating a scheme to win a big prize is unlawful.  I wonder whether they found out avid gamers received through wheeling their numbers if they’d pay up? Disapprove

Even successful a grand prize greater than as soon as may just cause them to suspicious sufficient do deny paying up. Unhappy

 * you don’t want to shop for extra tickets, simply purchase a successful price tag * 
   
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Game Type:Five/48 + 1/18 Bonus Number:1 quantity between 1 and 18 (the “Lucky Ball”) Drawing Days:Mon, Thu

$2 (value a cup of espresso, slightly espresso?)

Wins upwards from 2 numbers or upwards from 1 bonus ball.

a) I do not find it irresistible when it prices greater than 10 cents.

b) I do not like unmarried additional balls. Makes it a Russian roulette recreation.

Wheels? Those are historical past, you higher select the precise numbers. Reinvent your self! Jump out of the canvas of dropping patterns! … Intuition, good fortune, mirrored image …, the rest that does it is excellent. If it did not do it, it wasn’t! Maybe it’ll?

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excerpt from – MN Lucky for Life Game Procedures PDF 

We discovered f & g to be very attention-grabbing.

We additionally discovered an identical regulations on the vast majority of MN’s lottery video games.

Kind of places the kibosh on the ones hoping to hide all of it.

“…

18. Retailer’s Conduct, Bulk Purchase Restrictions

    a. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games, or an worker of a Retailer would possibly not request, call for, or settle for gratuities or further reimbursement from anyone, or agent thereof, in alternate for the acquisition of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets.

    b. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games will have to make “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets to be had on the market to the general public all through the hours that sale of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” Tickets are approved to be bought and that trade is open to the general public.

    c. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games might simplest promote “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets at the premises described within the Retailer’s contract, apart from as specifically approved in writing through the Director. No transaction, or any section thereof, of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets could also be made on the normal company administrative center of any Retailer until that administrative center is open to the general public and has shrunk with the Lottery as a separate Lottery Retailer.

    d. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games would possibly not input into any particular settlement with anyone, workforce of individuals, or agent thereof, for the acquisition of over $500 of “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets for anybody (1) draw.

    e. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games will have to instantly report back to the Lottery any try made through anyone, or workforce of individuals, or an agent thereof, to buy greater than 50% of the quantity combos for “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” for anybody (1) draw.

    f. A Lottery Retailer approved to promote lottery Tickets for Lotto Games will have to download the identify and cope with of anyone buying greater than $Five,000 in “LUCKY FOR LIFE™” lottery Tickets for anybody (1) draw and document the guidelines to the Lottery sooner than the sale.

    g. An individual would possibly not acquire a Ticket or combos of Tickets and a lottery Retailer might indirectly or knowingly promote a Ticket or mixture of Tickets to anyone which might ensure the buyer a grand prize win. “

As for f, my bet is The MN Lottery does not get very many studies from shops in regards to the unmarried acquire of $Five,000 value of Lucky For Life tickets for a unmarried drawing. 

If a participant actually can have the funds for to shop for $Five,000 value of tickets, what is to prevent them from purchasing simply wanting $Five,000 value? Suppose they purchased $four,995 value so that you could steer clear of having their identify and cope with reported?  The MN Lottery would almost definitely be informed who did it anyway, particularly if a grand prize winner got here from that batch of $four,995 value of tickets.

I assume a store may just see the patrons intent to steer clear of having their identify reported, and refuse to promote $4995 value of tickets through pronouncing they suspect it might ensure a grand prize win, however IMHO, that is a sexy skinny/lame excuse for no longer promoting the tickets.  G5

About taking part in the lottery —  You will lose greater than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then the whole thing adjustments!

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As for f, my bet is The MN Lottery does not get very many studies from shops in regards to the unmarried acquire of $Five,000 value of Lucky For Life tickets for a unmarried drawing. 

If a participant actually can have the funds for to shop for $Five,000 value of tickets, what is to prevent them from purchasing simply wanting $Five,000 value? Suppose they purchased $four,995 value so that you could steer clear of having their identify and cope with reported?  The MN Lottery would almost definitely be informed who did it anyway, particularly if a grand prize winner got here from that batch of $four,995 value of tickets.

I assume a store may just see the patrons intent to steer clear of having their identify reported, and refuse to promote $4995 value of tickets through pronouncing they suspect it might ensure a grand prize win, however IMHO, that is a sexy skinny/lame excuse for no longer promoting the tickets.  G5

Agreed, you would wish to use decrease numbers –

purchase $1000 at Five other retail outlets, ect. 

Still lame that they do that No No

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The regulations are in different MN video games, too.

Although Lucky for Life is a hard and fast successful jackpot, there are others in MN which the jackpot is an expanding price.

Northstar Cash and Gopher Five may just succeed in a jackpot price that might make it economically conceivable to hide all combos; with numerous time, other people and energy, it may well be achieved.

There was once a case in Virginia, again in 1992, the place an Australian syndicate attempted to hide all of the successful combos in that state’s Pick 6 of 44 and received the $27 Million jackpot.

 

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There was once a case in Virginia, again in 1992, the place an Australian syndicate attempted to hide all of the successful combos in that state’s Pick 6 of 44 and received the $27 Million jackpot.

 

 

And if I take note accurately they purchased the majority of tickets within the corporate headquarter, which those regulations restrict.

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As for f, my bet is The MN Lottery does not get very many studies from shops in regards to the unmarried acquire of $Five,000 value of Lucky For Life tickets for a unmarried drawing. 

If a participant actually can have the funds for to shop for $Five,000 value of tickets, what is to prevent them from purchasing simply wanting $Five,000 value? Suppose they purchased $four,995 value so that you could steer clear of having their identify and cope with reported?  The MN Lottery would almost definitely be informed who did it anyway, particularly if a grand prize winner got here from that batch of $four,995 value of tickets.

I assume a store may just see the patrons intent to steer clear of having their identify reported, and refuse to promote $4995 value of tickets through pronouncing they suspect it might ensure a grand prize win, however IMHO, that is a sexy skinny/lame excuse for no longer promoting the tickets.  G5

Yep, you’d must stay it beneath the $Five,000, however you’d want a lot of people and a variety of shops to get it achieved for the ones decrease odds jackpot video games.

Just have a roving swarm of lotto groupies meandering around the state and taking part in each conceivable lottery store outlet… it will occur.

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Posted: June 6, 2017, four:53 pm – IP Logged

There was once a case in Virginia, again in 1992, the place an Australian syndicate attempted to hide all of the successful combos in that state’s Pick 6 of 44 and received the $27 Million jackpot.

 

 

And if I take note accurately they purchased the majority of tickets within the corporate headquarter, which those regulations restrict.

“And if I remember correctly they bought the bulk of tickets in the company headquarter, which these rules prohibit.”

Their tale was once featured at the TV display “How they do that?” and as I remembered they took keep an eye on of a SevenEleven lottery terminal for 3 days and attempted to run all their preprinted play slips, thankfully the successful mixture was once some of the ones they performed. Afterward Virgina restricted the time one participant may just play if others avid gamers had been ready.

 * you don’t want to shop for extra tickets, simply purchase a successful price tag * 
   
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“And if I remember correctly they bought the bulk of tickets in the company headquarter, which these rules prohibit.”

Their tale was once featured at the TV display “How they do that?” and as I remembered they took keep an eye on of a SevenEleven lottery terminal for 3 days and attempted to run all their preprinted play slips, thankfully the successful mixture was once some of the ones they performed. Afterward Virgina restricted the time one participant may just play if others avid gamers had been ready.

Yes, and the lottery fee it seems that monitored lottery terminals and ones that confirmed atypically top quantity of gross sales the place close off.

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“And if I remember correctly they bought the bulk of tickets in the company headquarter, which these rules prohibit.”

Their tale was once featured at the TV display “How they do that?” and as I remembered they took keep an eye on of a SevenEleven lottery terminal for 3 days and attempted to run all their preprinted play slips, thankfully the successful mixture was once some of the ones they performed. Afterward Virgina restricted the time one participant may just play if others avid gamers had been ready.

I take note studying a tale right here at The LP about a web-based recreation in Massachusetts the place some top rollers from Michigan would commute to at least one specific retailer positioned in a small the town in Mass that might shut it doorways for the day whilst the top rollers took over the lottery terminal and purchased an enormous selection of tickets.  It was once one thing a couple of flaw within the recreation that gave any one taking part in numerous combo’s an unfair benefit.  The Mass Lottery in the end discovered about it and withdrew the sport.  G5 

About taking part in the lottery —  You will lose greater than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then the whole thing adjustments!

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“Sounds like developing a scheme to win a major prize is illegal.”

The lottery does not get to make the rest unlawful. The maximum they are able to do is deny you a prize for no longer following the foundations.

I do not see any level to the guideline about purchases of $Five,000 value of tickets. It does not restrict purchases of $10,000 or $100,000 value of tickets, and you may just  purchase $four,998 value of tickets from a couple of shops and steer clear of the reporting requirement.

As for the closing rule, it sounds find it irresistible’s supposed to forestall purchasing each mixture, nevertheless it does not say the rest about a couple of other people doing it. It additionally does not save you a unmarried individual from purchasing each mixture however one, as a result of as long as there is one mixture you do not have you’re no longer assured to win the grand prize. Of route your partner may just purchase that mixture. There’s additionally the issue that consistent with the legit regulations the sport has a “top prize” however does not appear to supply a grand prize for any individual to win.

But alternatively, what sort of moron would spend $60 million greenbacks to win $365,000 a yr?

Buying all combos would possibly make sense for different video games, but when the foundations have the similar phraseology there is nonetheless that one exposed mixture that shall we you nearly ensure a win.

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$Five in line with price tag, $Five,000, 1000 tickets!
I ponder how lengthy it might take to generate Five,000 other combos, and fill out 1,000 play slips.

I doubt the clerks on the retailer the place I purchase tickets would run them, until I paid them additional.!

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$Five in line with price tag, $Five,000, 1000 tickets!
I ponder how lengthy it might take to generate Five,000 other combos, and fill out 1,000 play slips.

I doubt the clerks on the retailer the place I purchase tickets would run them, until I paid them additional.!

Why, it takes a pair seconds for each and every price tag they usually get a fee on it.

I guess couponing at Walmart takes extra effort.

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